Usermaps werden durchgereicht - Tschechischer Anbieter hostet was das Zeug hält

Sorry - but as mentioned before - you did brake a law.

Show me an articel, which I did...

It's §12 UrhG.

"Der Urheber hat das Recht zu bestimmen, ob und wie sein Werk zu veröffentlichen ist." Which means: "The author has the right to decide, whether and how his/her work is to be published."

As Sauter has stated in his disclaimer, included in the map download:

Zitat :

Es ist untersagt diese Strecke weiter zu führen, zu ändern oder anderweitig zu publizieren ohne vorher Rücksprache mit dem Autor genommen zu haben. Bitte
PN an mich im Forum. Danke!

"Extending, altering and publishing of this map is not permitted without having contacted the author first. Please leave me a PN in the forum. Thanks"

As Marcel has clearly shown in his wiki links, any author of freeware has the right to specify terms of use and licence.

If the author does not want the file to be uploaded anywhere else than on his very own webspace, these conditions must be respected. Period.

Sehr interessant das Thema. Aber das ist erst der Anfang!

Da sieht man, dass es langsam aber sicher die Formen aus vBus etc. annimmt. Jeder hostet was und wo er es nur kann, es werden die ReadMe oder sogar die Modelle noch geändert und dann landen die überall im Netz. Ist nix neues! Letztendlich ist das geistiger Eigentum und ist nunmal rechtlich geschützt und dazu gehört nunmal eine Anfrage an den Author, ob das Modell auf anderen Seiten gehostet werden darf egal ob Freeware oder nicht. Und es wird auch nie was bringen, noch großartig irgendwelche ReadMe Datein mit reinzupacken in jeder ersichtlichen Sprache. Diese Dinger werden eh nie gelesen und landen dann sofort in den Papierkorb. Den Leuten ist es denn auf gut Deutsch ''scheiß egal'', hauptsache sie können mit großer Internetpräsenz strahlen und darauf läuft sowas letztendlich auch hinaus. Und mal ganz ehrlich: Was der DIMI von sich gibt, ist einfach nur eine Schutzbehauptung! Letztendlich würde er nicht von sterben, wenn er mal 5min in einer E-Mail steckt um die Authoren zufragen... sowas ist dann auch noch Faulheit.

Ich für mein Teil, verspüre durch sowas echt eine Unlust, noch großartig irgendwelche Modelle zu releasen...! Aber mal abwarten.

Kommentar von Marcel: Ja, aber dieses Statement hilft uns doch nicht weiter...? Wenn du das an DIMI richtest, müsstest du es schon in Englisch schreiben...

DIMI schrieb:

God damn, I don´t understand you, can you got it? The word messy redactor I have used only one time in my mail to some kind of Sausage, who tries to look lawyer... So, that guy has to be you.. Am I right? Sausage Heinemann? If you didn´t understand, like you did not, I´ve tried to explain you, that the changed Dortmund file has been there for 8 hours, maybe less... One of our redactor wanted to include there Czech readme tutorial how to install your map... But I didn´t know that he deleted original readmes, what has been a mistake! I apologise for it... Immediately when I found it out I´ve fixed it and change it back to file with your readmes... And I don´t know where did you get the number 4000, I´ve got different... And stop trying to scary me! Right now I know that I do not brake any law...

That's my emailadress. Yes. And I am not a lawyer and I have never claimed to be one. I just wrote a polite and an objectively email and sent a copy of our correspondence to a good friend of mine, who is lawyer and specialized on international rights, as we lately talked about this stuff. In my industry it is common, to let the "business" partner know to whom we sent copies of correspondence or not.

That thing with this "messy redactor" seems to be a missunderstanding. Pardon me for that.

A proverb says "Only the one that's doing unjustice has to be afraid"
So if you don't brake any laws ( I cannot say yes or no) you don't have to be scared of me.

All that I want is the original files back and the request for permission to LINK the map.

Sauter schrieb:

All that I want is the original files back and the request for permission to LINK the map.

YES! And this is what´s that about... Original files are back since that time.. you know... But I don´t know what exactly do you mean about permission...

By the way: I don´t feel indecent to read my name in something what I cannot understand... As indecent as indecent is upload downloads withou asking...

He simply wants you to
- REMOVE the Dortmund map from YOUR server
- put a LINK to his own server instead
for he did not give permission to upload the map on another server.

@DIMI: Sauter wants, write a short message, that contains a request for the permission to link the file. I think his aim is, that you write instead of

Code:

<a href="http://download.omsi.cz/OMSI-Dortmund.rar">

this:

Code:

<a href="http://mods.gcworld.de/omsi-downloads/?did=5">

. That would be perfect and noboby would have any problem with you and your site.

Greets
kolf

OK, I will do so, but I hope you are not so naive, that you think MY WEBSITE IS THE ONLY ONE WHERE DORTMUND and another maps are """"""ilegal"""" resp. without permission uploaded....

Ok, and now do the same for my Euro mod, thanks.

Doing something illegal doesn't get less illegal if everyone does it.
Remember your privilege to host an officially approved OMSI fan website, so please keep to these standards.

Oh, seems like my lucky day today...

FIRST: The download button doesn´t work, THIS THE EXACTLY REASON WHY WE PUT DOWLNOADS ON OUR HOSTING... lol IT says: Dateipfad ist fehlerhaft!

SECOND: See first comment from 3. Márz in there (http://mods.gcworld.de/omsi-downloads/?did=5)... Do you see who is there asking? I´m really angry that I did not remeber that it early that I did it... You´ve ignored that! What´s your argue now? So you host your files somewhere and if somebody asks there, it is not good enough... And where to ask if in your readme file isn´t any direct contact to you? Wherever else if I ask you in place where did I download the file and you are not going to read it? Hm??

I guess I won and show off my truth... Congratz myself...

LET ME EDIT:

Let me edit your edit: I doubt that you are in the appropriate position to LOL at anyone. Just fix the mess you've created, otherwise you're doing us and the whole OMSI community a great disservice!

Rüdiger

DIMI schrieb:

FIRST: The download button doesn´t work, THIS THE EXACTLY REASON WHY WE PUT DOWLNOADS ON OUR HOSTING... lol IT says: Dateipfad ist fehlerhaft!

SECOND: See first comment from 3. Márz in there (http://mods.gcworld.de/omsi-downloads/?did=5)... Do you see who is there asking? I´m really angry that I did not remeber that it early... So you host your files somewhere and if somebody asks there, it is not good enough... And where to ask if in your readme file isn´t any direct contact to you? Wherever else if I ask you in place where did I download the file and you are not going to read it? Hm??

1. The download is offline because I was asked to do so by Sauter. On the downloadpage you will find the reason (in german).

2. I responded to your comment via email. And I also told you to contact the author of the map. Just because you don't receive any answer does not mean you can do whatever you want

Easily: Noone except Germans does not understand it... Unbelievable... Dortmund is really well done map, but it´s all about you luckiness.. I would make to help you awesome map - Dortmund more famous... You are better proud of it, so I´ll link some other guy who has uploaded on his server yet... It will be not my problem and it will work.. That´s what everybody wants to...

Rudiguer: Yeah, probably that because I´m just tired, bored and angry.. Actually I´m not in the mood yet to go on thursday to the "Gamepage" TV serial (Czech biggest TV game magazine) to refer and talk about OMSI.. FOR FREE... Becuase I´m not sure at the moment if it´s really truth to tell all those people that OMSI is the game which is going to be hard modded without problems and it is necessary to buy and promise to them, that we´ll help them with upgrading OMSI via our site, because of proud of somebody...

http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/porady/1095870977-game-page/

look, I´m really angry and tired... I resigne to this discussion, it has no target, no point and I´m just doing it worst and worst...

Remember: It's not a matter of pride, it's a matter or respect:

If somebody says "No", he means "No" and you'll have to accept that.

We appreciate that you're offering a download platform. But this is an OFFER! You cannot FORCE authors to accept that you take their content and host it on your site without asking them. Is that really so hard to understand?

Hard to understand is the way, which he chose to solve our problem with mistake which happened on our site and which has started this...

Of course I'm not aware of your internal communication...but I hope you guys will sort it out to everyone's satisfaction.

Marcel Kuhnt schrieb:

seeadler schrieb:

Den Teil habe ich schon hinter mir. Meine Bitte den Euro Mod von der Seite zu entfernen wurde einfach abgelehnt ...

So, DIMI, seeadler wants you to remove his Euro Mod from your website! So please do it - sorry, but it is his mod and he can decide where to upload it.

May i ask a question? How did you know Marcel that seeadler is author of this addon in this case? Stupid question, but very important

As you can see in this thread
https://omnibussimulator.forumieren.com/t1463-der-euro-ist-da-download
seeadler is the author of the Euro mod.

@Rüdiger
Ich seh schon vorauf die hinauswollen.

Für mich ist auf jeden Fall klar das es von mir so schnell kein kostenloses Add-on mehr geben wird.
Schade für die Community aber auf sowas habe ich echt keine Lust.

Hart aber verständlich. Jedoch war es in vBus ja auch so, aber dann gab es Absprachen von D und PL, sodass beide Seiten die Downloads anbieten können wenn sie wollen, jedoch extra nochmal angeben, wer es erstellt hat. Aber kacken dreist das einfach zu nehmen...

Rüdiger Hülsmann schrieb:

As you can see in this thread
https://omnibussimulator.forumieren.com/t1463-der-euro-ist-da-download
seeadler is the author of the Euro mod.

This is everything what you want to call him author?

Anyone upload there ''his'' addon and at this case he is author? Maybe I am the chosen one who produced this mod. How did you know he isn't a liar?

Sorry Rudiger, i know that is not your problem. You are a good guy and your work is really good for omsi fans. Thx 4 it!

As I have already told DIMI via PN I have all the original files (pictures, .blends etc.)