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Ventyres schrieb:
sure it´s illegal, it´s freeware, yes but not free of law. sheryo locked his model for 18 wos haulin and ets. because he don´t want it modified.


Zitat :
i dint't hack anything

If the model was open he has done nothing rong, and creator allways knows theres a risk of seeing his/her content in a game with or without there permission, they know this


So wheres the problem? i shall find and download the model myself to see if its open, like i said hes credited the Modelers there for he is NOT ripping it off NOR is he MODIFYING his model his i simply bringing it a new game.



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he maybe didn´t hacked it himself, but he downloaded already illegal mod and rereleased it Smile
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Ventyres schrieb:
he maybe didn´t hacked it himself, but he downloaded already illegal mod and rereleased it Smile



rzr09 schrieb:
Ventyres schrieb:
sure it´s illegal, it´s freeware, yes but not free of law. sheryo locked his model for 18 wos haulin and ets. because he don´t want it modified.


Zitat :
i dint't hack anything

If the model was open he has done nothing rong, and creator allways knows theres a risk of seeing his/her content in a game with or without there permission, they know this


So wheres the problem? i shall find and download the model myself to see if its open, like i said hes credited the Modelers there for he is NOT ripping it off NOR is he MODIFYING IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM his model his i simply bringing it a new game.



and he has not released anything.
^^^
READ
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you don´t get the point of terms of use in readme´s ^^
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Ventyres schrieb:
you don´t get the point of terms of use in readme´s ^^

sorry are those bounded by law? if so please point it out.
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BeitragThema: Re: Renault Magnum 500DXi   Renault Magnum 500DXi - Seite 3 Icon_minitimeMi 23 März - 0:22

every author has the rights on his works and has the only right to give the terms of use, if he writes, he don´t want it hacked, modified or anything else, it´s his right, if you go against that you´re breaking the "license", and that´s official against the law.
and also if it wasn´t against the law, it´s full respectless to the modder. imo
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Ventyres schrieb:
every author has the rights on his works and has the only right to give the terms of use, if he writes, he don´t want it hacked, modified or anything else, it´s his right, if you go against that you´re breaking the "license", and that´s official against the law.
and also if it wasn´t against the law, it´s full respectless to the modder. imo


Still don't see how a text file is bounded by LAW the only thing i see is about respect yes, law NO

Anyway the person that in the wrong he is the actual modeler of the renault because he using SCS's interior without there permission,
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rzr09 schrieb:
Ventyres schrieb:
every author has the rights on his works and has the only right to give the terms of use, if he writes, he don´t want it hacked, modified or anything else, it´s his right, if you go against that you´re breaking the "license", and that´s official against the law.
and also if it wasn´t against the law, it´s full respectless to the modder. imo


Still don't see how a text file is bounded by LAW the only thing i see is about respect yes, law NO

Anyway the person that in the wrong he is the actual modeler of the renault because he using SCS's interior without there permission,

Im sure they wouldn't want there cabs used else where?

saying that he credited SCS so there for he thinks he's doing nothing wrong

In that case the same can be said here abou this whole fiasco
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I found this model on some truck forum, and it was free and unlock without some information from author... Sorry guy, I cannot find information for each thing what I find on the internet ;-) At this time It's not my problem who is author... There was nothing about author in folder with this model... I know who made it so I will write it when model is finished... By the way, I have not released the model yeat, so I do not anything illegal ;-)
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kosakkosak schrieb:
I found this model on some truck forum, and it was free and unlock without some information from author... Sorry guy, I cannot find information for each thing what I find on the internet ;-) At this time It's not my problem who is author... There was nothing about author in folder with this model... I know who made it so I will write it when model is finished... By the way, I have not released the model yeat, so I do not anything illegal ;-)

Your doing nothing illegal Smile Carry on working on it im eager to see that Truck in Omsi Because it may well help other users to understand how Articulated buses work even tho you do find them boring Wink hehe
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Make a complete model by yourself and then you know, it's not funny ...
This area means: "Vehicle construction" and i don't see any credits in the first post ..., but i already know, it's ok rabbit
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Regardless of where you got it from or if it was unlocked when you downloaded it, the author has expressed he does not give permission for it to be uploaded to the internet edited IN ANY WAY (even if the files are edited, i.e. unlocked, and not the model itself) by locking the original .pmg file in the first place. So regardless of whether you knew or not, you are still breaking the law, even if it is not your fault.

Europe is covered by an "automatic copyright" system; if someone releases their work to the public, freeware or payware, it is automatically covered by copyright depending on what it is (this is covered by it). The author does not even need to mention something like "(C) Shery0" for it to take effect. So, you must not do this anyway, even if nothing was mentioned about what you can do with it.

The only way you can legally release these files is if the author provided a "terms of use" or similar and has specifically said you can do what you want with it, OR if you contact him and ask his permission. You won't get permission because he locked it in the first place, so if you don't want to get on the wrong side of people you should not release this.

However, all this aside, there WAS a terms of use provided with the original files, and this included the editing of the files being prohibited. You might not have seen it, but it still stands and therefore is still fully enforced. Therefore regardless of who you got it from, if you knew about any of this, or what anyone did, you cannot release these edited files legally.

We (Ventyres, Kamaz, myself) have had our fair share of trouble with people doing this sort of thing in the past in the trucking community, and we're not about to see it start happening here too. This sort of thing is rife in the trucking community (although I think not as bad as it used to be), so don't go bringing it here. Nobody should bother trying to argue and disagree saying we're wrong either, the fact is we've been involved long enough to know how things work. Shery0 is well within his rights to file a law suit against you if you do release it. Also, just mentioning that it is Shery0's model and acknowledging it is not yours does not mean you are covered and are allowed to release it. Whether you mention it or not, like I said above, he's prohibited it so you just can't.
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OMG, please stop to write this stupidity... I have never said that I will release this modificate model for public community... Maybe I am working on it only for me. If I will want to release it for everbody I will write to SheryO... I think that release some screens is not illegal so I don't know why this discussion start ;-) If you have problem that i dont bulit this model myself, please don't go here and go to another section...
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well at the time you publish a screen, you show that you broke the terms of use. and that´s already illegal.
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LOL, so call police because I am doing something on my computer... OMG guy, go home !
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What are you, a child?

You'd get a letter through your door summoning you to court.
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ediblechickenwing schrieb:
Regardless of where you got it from or if it was unlocked when you downloaded it, the author has expressed he does not give permission for it to be uploaded to the internet edited IN ANY WAY (even if the files are edited, i.e. unlocked, and not the model itself) by locking the original .pmg file in the first place. So regardless of whether you knew or not, you are still breaking the law, even if it is not your fault.

Europe is covered by an "automatic copyright" system; if someone releases their work to the public, freeware or payware, it is automatically covered by copyright depending on what it is (this is covered by it). The author does not even need to mention something like "(C) Shery0" for it to take effect. So, you must not do this anyway, even if nothing was mentioned about what you can do with it.

The only way you can legally release these files is if the author provided a "terms of use" or similar and has specifically said you can do what you want with it, OR if you contact him and ask his permission. You won't get permission because he locked it in the first place, so if you don't want to get on the wrong side of people you should not release this.

However, all this aside, there WAS a terms of use provided with the original files, and this included the editing of the files being prohibited. You might not have seen it, but it still stands and therefore is still fully enforced. Therefore regardless of who you got it from, if you knew about any of this, or what anyone did, you cannot release these edited files legally.

We (Ventyres, Kamaz, myself) have had our fair share of trouble with people doing this sort of thing in the past in the trucking community, and we're not about to see it start happening here too. This sort of thing is rife in the trucking community (although I think not as bad as it used to be), so don't go bringing it here. Nobody should bother trying to argue and disagree saying we're wrong either, the fact is we've been involved long enough to know how things work. Shery0 is well within his rights to file a law suit against you if you do release it. Also, just mentioning that it is Shery0's model and acknowledging it is not yours does not mean you are covered and are allowed to release it. Whether you mention it or not, like I said above, he's prohibited it so you just can't.

take it to court they would just lol!
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ediblechickenwing schrieb:
What are you, a child?

You'd get a letter through your door summoning you to court.


Im sure he would..... Neutral ( SARCASM)
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It's been done many times before successfully. Now go and play with your toys and try not to choke on them, the adults are talking. Rolling Eyes


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kosakkosak schrieb:
LOL, so call police because I am doing something on my computer... OMG guy, go home !

you don't unterstand the community system... Rolling Eyes
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ediblechickenwing schrieb:
It's been done many times before successfully. Now go and play with your toys and try not to choke on them.


LOL Has the modeler lost any money? no has he editi the file? NO....

So go choke on you own toys
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No comment Rolling Eyes
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IF you that **** botherd then TAKE HIM TO COURT! IM SURE THE MODELER HAS 200$ 2 PAY FOR LAYWERS AND STUFF?? HE WOULD NOT APRECIATE THAT IM SURE OVER SOME POXY FREEWARE


GOOGLE ANY COURT CASES THAT HAVE BEEN FROM IMPORTING FREEWARE MODELS? I CANNOT FIND NON- YOUR A JOKE

THIS IS STUPID AND CHILDISH SO GROW THE F UP
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Any need for that?

I'm not bothered, I'm just trying to do kosak a favour by explaining to him that he shouldn't be doing this and what can happen as a result, which is nothing to do with you I might add. It's not my model so it's not my loss.
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ediblechickenwing schrieb:
Any need for that?

I'm not bothered, I'm just trying to do kosak a favour by explaining to him that he shouldn't be doing this and what can happen as a result, which is nothing to do with you I might add. It's not my model so it's not my loss.


Then give the guy a brake!!


Zitat :
which is nothing to do with you I might ad

and it has you ?? i'm steping in because its unfair for 3 against 1!

Now leave the guy alone and let him make development progress on omsi.
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