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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Mo 27 Jun - 16:46

I've just noticed that breaks were not working. I 'probably' fixed that.
Curiously, brake lights inside the cockpit are always on, I'm trying to investigate why. fixed
Still need to deactivate IBIS next stop when pressing the clutch and make engine shutdown work
I've also updated the constfile for the transmission, but acceleration seems to be so brutal and sensible to the tune.
Lots of trial and error.
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Mo 27 Jun - 17:38

First of all - Good job mate ! Razz First step to mechanical gearbox is already done. My congratulations. But this script have one annoying bug - engine doesn't have any inertia...when you shift gear, engine immediately gain RPM's. That's not good...
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Mo 27 Jun - 17:42

Thanks mate! Smile
Oh indeed. I don't know how to put inertia. I'm very newbie on transmissions Very Happy
I saw a variable called engine_J. But don't know if this is the inertia.
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Mo 27 Jun - 18:50

I normalized the "throttle curve" (don't know the correct name, maybe torque curve?) of the D92 and put into the new script. Seems to be softer and with some inertia.
I am trying to replicate the Mercedes-Benz O500U that exists here in Brazil (its similar to the O530).
In the spec sheet, I got all gear ratios and put directly in OMSI ratios. Seemed to work similar to the real thing.
About the antrieb_i_achse, I copied from the spec sheet in one part called 'Reduction' (in Portuguese). It was 5.587
I updated the file.

Edit: I've been driving a little and seems to be nice (far from perfect, of course). Much better than the other prototype. I was missing my G27 clutch for a long time! Smile
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Mo 27 Jun - 22:57

I reckon the same as well that engine_J is in fact the inertia of the engine. From reading your status, it seems like you are getting a good grip on things! Very Happy I think the throttle curve is really the throttle efficiency curve. The torque of the engine it self should be controlled by some other variable.
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Di 28 Jun - 1:09

Well it's being difficult but worthy Very Happy I spent yesterday round about 5 hours trying to adequate a fine tuning but then I gave up. Then woke up today and tried to think better about how things happen. The key to make this more driveable was this throttle curve that was adapted to the car. I took so long to realise this! lol
But well, lots of things I'm doing I still don't know about the 'meaning' . I tried to search some explanation for 'coupling' but couldn't find anything that could explain without advanced terms. Maybe because it's really advanced Smile
I learned a little about gear ratios and really helped.
My next step is try to learn that torque curve. Very Happy
Thanks for your help mate.
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Di 28 Jun - 13:55

Thiago schrieb:
Well it's being difficult but worthy Very Happy I spent yesterday round about 5 hours trying to adequate a fine tuning but then I gave up. Then woke up today and tried to think better about how things happen. The key to make this more driveable was this throttle curve that was adapted to the car. I took so long to realise this! lol
But well, lots of things I'm doing I still don't know about the 'meaning' . I tried to search some explanation for 'coupling' but couldn't find anything that could explain without advanced terms. Maybe because it's really advanced Smile
I learned a little about gear ratios and really helped.
My next step is try to learn that torque curve. Very Happy
Thanks for your help mate.
Well my experience with coupling is the values define the amount of torque which the transmission uses during shifting. If the value is too low, then the transmission will slip, if it is too large, then each gear shift would be sharp. That is really the only value which I've changed when to determined the difference between a ZF 502, 592, and 602. My advice to you is to use something that works, you could use something between 1000-1100 NM. That might work best.
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Di 28 Jun - 15:33

Thank you man, I used these values and gears change smoothly now, specially the first and second. Smile
I found this on the spec sheet:
The top curve is torque x rpm and the bottom is consume x rpm. Don't know if I will succeed but I will try to put it. I noticed that that curves in the file have the momentum x rpm, so I'm hopeful it might work.
I translated a german phrase on the file about the curves. It explains about the normalization:
Translate: The following curve is normalized -
the speed to that at which the maximum at full throttle
Torque is achieved and the maximum torque at this moment,
even at the minThrottle characteristic.

Since the Golf curve was normalized by 1400, so probably this is the rpm where max. torque happens? This is confusing. Razz

Thanks again!
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Di 28 Jun - 17:41

Keep up the great work guys. A dream become true.

Manual clutch and shifting ...woooohooo bounce Very Happy
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Mi 29 Jun - 15:07

EHST schrieb:
Keep up the great work guys. A dream become true.

Manual clutch and shifting ...woooohooo bounce Very Happy

Yes it's really a dream to me too. I actually prefer manual buses. Very Happy
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Sa 2 Jul - 20:41

We'll probably have a first release up to the next week. I'm having some rush at work.
And again many thanks to krtz07. This script is now very good thanks to him!
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   So 3 Jul - 2:51

Hey. I'm making a beta test of this gearbox with a G27 steering wheel. It's now running under a Karosa B737. Sounds are from a Mercedes-Benz's Brazilian engine: OM-366 LA. Here is the video:



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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   So 3 Jul - 7:04

Wow, can't wait for release bounce
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Mi 6 Jul - 6:42

I've got some extra work to do this week, but I will upload a beta on Friday. Smile
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Mi 6 Jul - 14:43

Daww :/ Oh well at least you took your time in informing us. Keep up the good work.
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Do 7 Jul - 1:13

Thiago schrieb:
I've got some extra work to do this week, but I will upload a beta on Friday. Smile
Nice!! I have been beta testing it and it is pretty nice.
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Sa 9 Jul - 11:13

I'm sorry for my delay. I didn't have time even to touch the pc.
Here it is: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17534772/OMSI/Scripts/ManualGearbox_03Jul2011.zip
Keep in mind it's still beta. Smile
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Sa 9 Jul - 11:46

link is dead!


Edit: okay, sorry, it worked!
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Sa 9 Jul - 15:49

Fuck yeah bounce

This is just awesome ...thank you so mutch for that guys. I just edit the first and second gear (it was a bit to short for me) and and feel´s like a other game now. It brings so much fun to drive with clutch and manual shifting Very Happy

Oh, and thanks also for the great readme... I will try to bring that script into the Liaz. If that works, i need definitely some holidays just to drive Omsi all the day Razz
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Sa 9 Jul - 19:14

Holy damn. This is awesome Very Happy Great work dude. And you even provided separate files for the manual gears. This means i dont have to change the files that are already in game. Gratulations!
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Sa 9 Jul - 20:32

Guys...this is so freakin' awesome...love this script cheers
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   Sa 9 Jul - 22:02

I get this message when I want to load the bus with manual gearbox:



Why?
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   So 10 Jul - 9:45

Okay, after 10-15 minutes of work i've found way how to add sound of gear shifting to gearbox. It's very easy and make script more realistic.
For this example i use script for MAN SD202 D86' with MB G 85-6 gearbox.

Open "antrieb.osc" in your manual transmission folder and find this part

Spoiler:
 

2. After every
Code:
(S.L.antrieb_getr_gang)
add
Code:
(T.L.snd_gearshift)

Now our script must look like this:

Spoiler:
 

Save edited file and go to "Sound" folder. Find and open "sound_D86" file, go to the bottom and add this text:
Spoiler:
 

Save and close file
Final step - download this sound and copy it into the "Sound" folder.
That's all ! Very Happy


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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   So 10 Jul - 10:12

Hah, awesome!

Thanks Very Happy
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BeitragThema: Re: [Beta] Manual Gearbox Development Kit   So 10 Jul - 20:23

If anyone is interested I made a video of the mod. It works fantastic. Very Happy
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